AliceSoft Wiki talk:Wikia ACG

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ACG
In Taiwan, people coined an abbreviation, ACG, to stand for "Animation (including anime & cartoons), Comics (including manga), and Games (most games in Asia tend to get characterized as "anime games" by Westerners, although Asians themselves don't really divide the games by art style, especially since there's no "anime style" from their perspective, only Asian vs Western style. The G in ACG refers to all of gaming, although "Asian styled game" does have a significant majority since the Japanese on average pump out 30~40 new PC games each month). It's a very regional term (to my knowledge, mostly used in Taiwan), but it might serve nicely, as it is at least a term already being used somewhere.

That brings me to the next point: are you interested in expanding the project into "Asian styled games" (aka "anime games") earlier than phase 4? Your phases 1 and 2 can be characterized as "Asian styled ACG, minus games", whereas phases 3 and 4 are "Western styled ACG, minus games". If you are interested in first focusing on "Asian styled ACG", then expand into "Western styled ACG", then the AliceSoftWiki would be quite intersted in partnering up. -Afker 17:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC) From User talk:Afker: 

WGEP
Your comment on Anime:Animepedia talk:Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project was interesting. I don't feel that we're going to change the name further anymore. ACG is a Asian coined word, but it's not recognized in the Western world where most of the WGEP's readers come from. Plus technically it would mean we're using an abbreviation within an abbreviation. WACGP for the abbreviated form, Wikia ACG Project supposedly would be a proper name, but the real full name would be Wikia Animation, Comics, and Games Project. And because the readers are mostly westerners the Games part would get confused with other types of games which are under the watch of Wikia's Gaming Hub. And the biggest reason... T_T It's a hellofalotta work to change the name. I changed it from Wikia Anime Project to Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, and there was so much work involved in that, even using Bots to take out most of the work there are still remnants of the old name left over.
 * As for the Alice Soft Wiki joining the WGEP, that sounds interesting. Have you familiarized yourself with the various things that happen to wiki which join the project? Pages with info on that can be seen at What will happen? and Extended information. The first thing I scanned were your templates. Once the AutoTemplate bot runs, your Template:Disambig, Template:PD, and Template:Stub will be overridden. And Template:GFDL will become useless (I can help with any migrating you want; Bots handle that like pie). So you should check over Anime:Template:Disambig, Anime:Template:PD, Anime:Template:Stub, and Anime:Template:FS. I'd be interested in learning a bit of the Alice Soft Wiki's policies and positions on various things to compare them with the WGEP's. I was at some point considering creating a bot to regenerate the sidebar (because the sidebar is used to link back to the WGEP, and at times new Top-Level wiki are added), considering the extra links would you be comfortable adding new links using a special type of format? Most likely it'll be done by adding a few subpages to MediaWiki:Sidebar which the bot will read to decide what to add in addition to the standard things.
 * One of the things which deterred me from AliceSoft, other than the Gaming focus was the Japanese. How much more Japanese is used in the general areas of the site? I see something even in the site notice, but I don't know what it means. The Visual Novel and Animanga Related Games section of the WGEP was a unofficial idea, not a planned phase. So it can actually come in at any point. In fact, it might make the MMKB a little less opposed to joining.

On another note, I saw your stuff on Image Use. But from my memory you can at least use a few screenshots from the games under Fair use laws. Of course, there would be a few limitations, but generally Fair use laws are geared with free documentation in mind. ~Dantman -local (talk&#124;local) May 13, 2007 @ 20:41 (UTC)
 * I realize it won't work for much of the interface. But, using fair use you could probably use some box art, and screenshots of general areas of the games on the individual Game's main articles. It would be good for giving people a good look at what the game is actually like. On another note about re-drawing the interfaces. If you had your readers use SVG and draw those images in an editor like Inkscape, the quality of those images would be improved, and you could scale them up. ~Dantman -local (talk&#124;local) May 13, 2007 @ 21:01 (UTC)


 * In terms of ACG, I was mostly using it as a springboard to make the connection that AliceSoftWiki's focus would be highly related to WGEP. Your arguments against renaming makes perfect sense, and I respect that (-:
 * Most AliceSoft games are not actually "Visual Novel and Animanga Related Games", unless you count having a stereotypical "Anime art style" as being "Animanga related". And if simply having a stereotypical "anime art style" is sufficient to being considered an animanga-related game, then the "Visual Novel" part of the section name probalby should be deleted for redundency and dilution of focus.
 * Thanks for the headsup about the template conflicts. I'm fine with using Animepedia's version of the templates, and also fine with our GDFL template being useless.
 * For the sidebar, as long as I can keep the custom links we currently have, I don't mind the exact formatting or addition of new links.
 * The usage of Japanese:
 * Japanse site notice - Angela added it for us originally, and I modified it slightly. It currently says "Welcome to wikia!  For all Japanese wiki content, click here".  Angela added it because supposedly we are getting quite a bit of traffic from Japan (our site is listed on one of the major Japanese PC game walkthrough portals).
 * On the main page - The Japanese paragraph on the main page says "AliceSoftWiki is a wiki for all the fans that support Japanese (although it's currently only in English). It is not the AliceSoft's home page.  For AliceSoft's home page, click here."
 * Our Template:Box and Template:Game also uses Japanese. They display the English name, the Japanese name (in Japanese), and the romanization of the Japanese name, of various people/places/events/games etc.  Our Games article also shows the games' Japanese titles alongside our translated English names.
 * Sengoku Rance:Version history currently has quite a bit of untranslated Japanese text. Those are just placeholders until I (or someone else) get to translating them into English.
 * If there are any that I forgot about, please let me know. In general, this is an English content wiki.  Usage of Japanese is limited to notate the original Japanese term, or non-content notices for Japanese users (that are unnecessary for English users).
 * For image use, I intentionally chose a policy stricter than Fair Use, because the AliceSoftWiki is more as a fan wiki then the average "documentation wiki", and as an overzealous fan I would like to respect what AliceSoft wishes of us. That said, it is something that only applies to the AliceSoftWiki, and I do not intend to impose such limitations on any AliceSoft-related article on the main WGEP wiki (I assume for each game it'd have a general article on the WGEP wiki).  Is letting AliceSoftWiki keeping its existing policy while having the main WGEP fairuse anything AliceSoft-related an arrangement that is acceptable to you, or do you believe that the AliceSoftWiki should allow any fairuse image in order to be part of the WGEP?
 * For naming policies, we currently adopt a "plain-text friendly" convention towards romanizing Japanese names. That means where wikipedia uses "ō" we tend to use "ou".  Exceptions include things like "Tokyo" (Wikipedia doesn't use "Tōkyō" as their article name; and we probably won't use "Toukyou" if we need an article for that, unless it's something that happens to have the same pronouncation, but is not actually the current capital of Japan).  In the end, as long as redirect works, I don't particularily care about the exact naming convention.
 * Importing from wikipedia
 * Atlach-Nacha is an article that is imported from Wikipedia. For attribution, I mentioned wikipedia and provided the perma-link to the version that I exported from Wikipedia.  I'd be happy to have the article changed to whatever format WGEP requires for proper attribution to Wikipedia.
 * Aside from Atlach-Nacha, I don't really see any other article being imported from Wikipedia. If there happens to be a wikipedia article of decent quality on something AliceSoft-related, I'd be happy to import it.  But generally speaking I can type up an article from scratch better than what's currently on Wikipedia (with respect to AliceSoft-related topics).  So in general, I would prefer to be able to bypass the "when creating a new article, import what Wikipedia has first" policy.  Of course I can hack around it by simply import the wikipedia article, then do a complete rewrite (keeping the attribution which will become meaningless), so it's not too big an issue for me.
 * Those are all the issues I can think of right now. -Afker 21:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)