Talk:Sengoku Rance:Commander Tips

Recruited Unit Troop Count
There are other sources of information - but not this wiki as far as I can see - that show that the troop count of a non-prison-recruited unit will be based on the average current troop count of non-foot units with 300 or more troops. (Suzume is an exception that starts off with 120 no matter what, but the calculation appears to apply to other units.) I did my own research (simple spreadsheet stuff) to determine that the maximum starting troop count for a recruited unit is the [(average of non-foot with 300 or more) * (21 / 25, or 0.84)] and the minimum is [(average of non-foot with 300 or more) * (9 / 16, or 0.5625)] rounded to the closest whole number. If there are no non-foot units with 300 or more troops, then 300 is used for the calculation.

Importantly, it's not limited by the "max troops ratio" according to unit type. For example, in a completely new first game it's possible to manipulate the troop stacks to start off with a 480-troop miko unit almost immediately (Tamagushi Fuuka after reducing Ranmaru's troops to 299 and increasing Niwa Nagahide's troops to 571 or more) even though that's far above her maximum troops of 315 at the beginning of the game. Of course you could also recruit the ninja or footman instead of Fuuka to get 480 of those, but whether you'd want to is questionable. And of course a better idea might be to get Ranmaru damaged to 275 or less (to take into account her troop gain of 6 for winning a battle, as well as the approximate 0.48% of max unit size start-of-turn healing after having acted the previous turn), then heal Niwa to full strength if necessary (and maybe recruit additional troops for him), and then recruit Fuuka. Obviously a bit of save-scumming is necessary to get the desired troop size (which would be more difficult to do when you're recruiting start-of-turn reinforcements), but it could be worth it in the earlier parts of the game.

With that all said, I do have to ask: is that first bit of info on this wiki already? If it is, can you please point it out to me? If not, I think it should probably be added. As for what my "research" shows, I don't believe I've seen anyone else provide the exact calculation used to determine starting unit size, so at the very least it should be novel information. Jamada (talk) 20:02, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Just a question for clarity
Is the battle formula (attack+commander attack)*10 or attack+(commander attack*10)? This is a pretty huge difference

There are no brackets to the formula. If it was the former case, commander stat is verily useless compared to the based stat.UnknownOrigin 23:34, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Cahnges
Some reasons as to the changes I made:
 * Mori Motonari is not needed for clearing his daughters. I clear them just fine in Ran's route.
 * As far as I have tested, all cleared characters get affection bonus when deployed with Rance. Only one character gets a bonus per battle.
 * I refuse to believe Elina is not outclassed Omachi... -UnknownOrigin 05:22, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

New recent suggestions
Hi, I think that some of the last suggestions are really not necessary. Otherwise we will gonna mention every character in the game.

BUSHI Ranmaru: don't need explanations. Mori Motonari: he becomes a ghost and you can't increase his troops. Akashi Kazemaru: he was present from the beginning, but still I find him not worth of a mention. Morita Ai: if she has to be mentioned, then we should mention every bonus char, when I think only Elina and the monk are worthy. I think Agireda (+2000 troops with two events), Noir (better stats, Auto Heal, Commander Charge), Daidoji (Fan Club) or Honda (Commander Charge, you can recruit him soon) are more worthy of a mention than these one above.
 * as the first warrior (except Rance), Ranmaru is a notworthy captain. Well, it's the same for all the other first captains. Even if they are weak, it's good to mention it because a beginner wouldn't know what to do about them.
 * I think the idea is to tell the beginners that they should think twice before putting too much resource and time on these beginning characters. They could then look up how far away they are from the next good character and decide whether to invest their resource on their current party. UnknownOrigin 07:49, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Kazemaru is a very good character if you have some spare stats books because he gains an equivalent of 2 "stats books 2" for each stat if you manage to level them up to 6. And believe me, after a ton of levies and considering the starting stats of good characters (6 or more), you'll have lots books that you won't know how to use.-Yukimusha 09:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there is always Maeda which also gets upgrade. There is also Rance and Suzume (no upgrade, but you can't kick her out anyways), who are mandatory characters. Depending on the path, there is also Koihime. Int books are needed for mage to be useful. Not sure how Akechi and Hara's upgrade work (whether they stack or are literally replace by a new character) UnknownOrigin 07:31, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

FOOT SOLDIER: Maeda Toshiie: I know there are few good foot soldiers in the game, but him?
 * Well, if we take farming low level stat book as a common appearance, if he is at 6 Attack and 6 Def, he can jump straight to 9 with his upgrade.UnknownOrigin 07:31, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

TACTICIAN: Akechi Mitsuhide: again, I can't see the point to mention people you have from the beginning.

NINJA: Suzume: I never tried it but why couldn't you use Action Textbook 2 on her? Also chun-chun shuriken is very useful when you need to break a back-row unit in the preparation phase.
 * Action Textbook 2 are unusable on ninjas-Yukimusha 09:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Action Textbook are unusable on ninjas. Action Textbook 2 are usable on everyone. --Reid4891 19:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Kentou Kanami: I don't think she's so great. Orime, Kousaka Yoshikage and Kikkawa Kiku are as fast as her and have better states. Inukai is faster. The only good thing for her is that you can have her pretty soon, but I don't think she should be mentioned here.
 * She's just needed to have Maria (thus Shizuka) and Leila. But nothing more.-Yukimusha 09:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Goemon: I changed his description.
 * We've been several people to note that "ridiculous" propensity to kill with just little troops. It may be a bug but it's really worth to mention it, isn't it?-Yukimusha 09:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

ARCHER: I'd mention only Yamamoto in this section.

Sorry if this was unnecessary, I'm kind of new to wikia, I hope to read what other people think about this section (if it should be changed or left like that).
 * Talk pages are made to prevent errors, to give a guidance to write a page if it's not evident or to make some little notes so it's not unnecessary (and I think it's in fact really useful) :D-Yukimusha 09:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand your point. I only thought that there were too many chars mentioned so that could be problematic for beginner to distinguish between useful and not so useful chars. But ok, beside the Action Textbook 2 (and still Mori Motonari, lol) I've no more objections. :) --Reid4891 19:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)